tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3581047259314187297.post7137682319368738213..comments2023-11-17T09:22:32.786+03:00Comments on Circumpolar: Shall we thank Islam for helping us sharpen our theology?Warrick Farahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00389839484261120626noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3581047259314187297.post-2220191296302817362010-04-20T21:54:27.743+03:002010-04-20T21:54:27.743+03:00They will jump to that conclusion because of what ...They will jump to that conclusion because of what the Quran says. What i do is use their own sources and try to relate to what we mean.<br /><br />Wudu. There are 10 steps to complete 1 Wudu. Yet they do not say it's '10', but '1'! Of the 10 steps only 1 is singularly performed the others are repeated 3X. Do they say 1+1+1=3? No. It's 1+1+1=ONE! So, when it suits Islam 3 can =1, unless it's in a Biblical setting. This is the inconsistency i see time and again.<br />"Wudu" is the washing(ablution), they perform before reading the Quran etc.<br />This is a big topic that i will have to carry on over a number of post; but for now, know that there are ways to communicate with them. <br />I should say you need to make it clear that you are not comparing God to the Ablution, it's the concept of 1+1+1=one, sometimes depending on the context.<br />I will be back in 50 mins.'<br /><br />PS. The word verification i just got was 'COFFIN,' scary!hugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3581047259314187297.post-65517818853896400122010-04-20T21:08:57.429+03:002010-04-20T21:08:57.429+03:00How then does one explain the relationship between...How then does one explain the relationship between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to a Muslim in such a way that they don't jump to that conclusion?Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17335079162783246556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3581047259314187297.post-71744507317073959412010-04-19T22:23:25.606+03:002010-04-19T22:23:25.606+03:00Jonathan said,
"What is a non-western way of ...Jonathan said,<br />"What is a non-western way of understanding the Trinity? And how does that apply to explaining it to Muslims?"<br />So this doesn't come across as personal, i will be answering from an Islamic perspective.<br />In the Quran when the 'Trinity' is referred to it is in the context of "3 gods." Now, where does Allah get this from, the Bible nowhere suggests Jews and Christians believe that! Islam/ Quran/ Muhammad/ Muslism now have a problem. How do they prove the Bible teaches this and so proving Muhammad right? They simply do what Allah/ Muhammad did, apply human reasoning! The accusation must have evidence. So we ask Muslims where they get the "3 gods" from? They say something like, "Father is one, Son is one, and the Holy Spirit is one. 1+1+1=3." This is human reasoning and proves Allah can not be God! The Quran says Mary was part of the 'Trinity,' yet this is proof Allah did not know what he was talking about. For a Semitic ideology Islam should know not to take words in a literal sense when the context suggests otherwise.<br />In S:111.1 we read; "Perish the hands Of the Father of Flame!<br />Perish he!" This refers to Abu Lahab, Muhammad's uncle. To take this literally would be silly. Yet Muslims are content to apply literalism to Quranic verses when they need to support its claims against the Bible. Yet it has no choice, its existence is at stake.hugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3581047259314187297.post-91183309994877459232010-04-10T17:50:30.416+03:002010-04-10T17:50:30.416+03:00The issue of 'Trinity' is not a Biblical b...The issue of 'Trinity' is not a Biblical but Quranic problem. A reading of the verses in the Quran about the Trinity leaves you with the impression that Christianity believes in '3 gods!' This is proof that the god of Islam is not God! An All-Knowing God would not be wrong about this. Many Muslims use circular reasoning to 'prove' the Quran is God's book. This is where their main problem lies.hugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3581047259314187297.post-30504772393143212192010-04-10T00:06:04.719+03:002010-04-10T00:06:04.719+03:00When i started sharing my faith with Muslims, Ahme...When i started sharing my faith with Muslims, Ahmed Deedat was very popular. His propaganda was embraced by many and used to try to humiliate Christians. Sadly, many Christians do not know how to defend their beliefs and are easy targets for such people.hugh watthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15485318279390149754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3581047259314187297.post-56787578498442844082010-04-06T20:32:15.002+03:002010-04-06T20:32:15.002+03:00I agree whole-heartedly, and my recent research ha...I agree whole-heartedly, and my recent research has reinforced in me the impression that the most fruitful path to Christian witness in the Muslim world lies in the early church, and that includes those great, ancient documents like the Nicene Creed and the addition of Constantinople and the Definition of Chalcedon. <br /><br />I have argued in SFM in a series of three articles under the theme of 'sacrament and mission' that this is the best way to proceed with our witness.<br /><br />I have experienced the same thing as you--an appreciation for the ancient wisdom of the church and those complex but crucial doctrines they prayed and fasted and talked about with great perseverance.Abu Daoudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18399746942963002389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3581047259314187297.post-73490014440790200282010-04-05T23:32:40.584+03:002010-04-05T23:32:40.584+03:00YES!
We must be willing to understand the Church...YES! <br /><br />We must be willing to understand the Church's statements in their respective contexts. <br /><br />Further, we must be able to articulate them into the contexts in which we serve. <br /><br />Further, we must be able to perceive the questions which need answering in the contexts in which we serve... and they are not always the questions we might think we should answer. <br /><br />And this naturally forces us to struggle with our own theology... and this brings us closer to God. I have never had such an appreciation for the Incarnation as I have had over the past few months... most of it has to do with struggling through how to communicate this beautiful aspect of the Gospel to Muslims.<br /><br />Peace.Tim Heraldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01166544834759414786noreply@blogger.com